Time for a new Big East

Bigfan78

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Assuming FSU and Clemson go to the SEC:

BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Miami
Wake Forest
UNC
NC State
VTech
Cincinnati
Georgia Tech
Temple

Obviously, not the top tier in football, but that ship has sailed without us. Makes geographic sense for all sports, which will be important financially. Very good basketball.
 

CDB

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But who is going to give this conference a TV contract? What's the attraction? Everybody is a wannabe.Last year Cincinnati got into the playoff -- was it just because of its record or was it more because many of the power schools had losses. Occasionally, these type of schools have great seasons and may even get into the final four, but Cincinnati was obviously not on the same level as the other three teams in the playoffs despite the fact that they sent so many players to the pros. BC has some decisions to make -- it has coasted for the last 12-14 years -- does it want to play with the big boys or does it want to de-emphasize. Do a cost benefit analysis of what ACC or other Power League football has meant to the entire university and determine the best course of action. Sell that decision the way you would sell any marketing program so that all of the alumni understand the course of action.

If we are going to play with the big boys it is time to build a great program by:

1. instituting a NIL policy that works within the guidelines of a great academic university
2. improve the stadium, parking and traffic on game days, and tailgating experience
3. increase fan support from the student base
4. increase fan support at home games for alumni and for those traveling to see our opponent
5. increase fan support when BC travels
6. Continue to graduate our players
7. pay our coaches and ADs so that they will not leave

We don't have to do this, but if we are going to do it, let's do it right and live up to the motto we preach to all our students as a life guide: "EVER TO EXCEL"
 

Bigfan78

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My point is that of course we want to be in one of the two superconferences. However, their membership will be set in the next 6 months, and we are not going to be included. So now what are we going to do? The only alternative is to try to rebuild another league as best we can. No, it is not going to pay each member 85million. But, it could be great basketball, decent football and geographically contiguous. What is the alternative? Where do you picture us being in 2023, not 2033?
 

CDB

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But what evidence has BC's powers-to-be ever given you that they are interested in building anything in football -- we have only excelled when we lucked out with either an exceptional athlete that no one saw coming or a coach like Jerry York. The admin not only refuses to support coaches, it fires good ones and replaces them with incompetent yes men. I have watched Cowboy fans be optimistic each year as Jerry Jones predicts a championship without spending what he needs to do so or hiring the right coaches or trading for the right players -- yet folks keep returning and paying $80 to park at Jerry World -- I am often amazed about the foolishness of these fans -- I would hate to see the same kind of thing happen here. We don't have a supportive admin -- and we do not have fans who pick up the ball and run with NIL the way many of the other Power Five Schools do. Ask yourself what do you see happening -- not what do you want to happen -- myself, 74, Jane, and others have predicted the demise of the ACC for the last 6 months -- did BC approach either the BIG (hopefully with ND) to change to a better league) -- don't talk about loyalty -- we weren't loyal to the BigEast when we saw it was weak). Neither did we approach several of the other teams to see if we could change the objections to the 12 teams playoffs -- to protect our really weak bowl affiliations (well, we won't have to worry about that now). No, there is no evidence we did anything except what we have always done -- show up at the table to eat, but refuse to help cook the dinner. We are the typical free-loading relative or friend that always shows up for dinner, but never picks up the check. The only way we are going to salvage decent football is for others to include us in their plan to repair the damage. And folks have to ask themselves why would any other ACC teams care what happens to BC unless what happens to BC will affect them in some way. This is why Pete Hamel suggested that the ACC go to a graduated payment scale -- with schools like BC getting very little so the league can pay schools that are carrying the league money similar to the BIG14 and SEC.
 

AGPennyPacker

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Maybe our problem stands with the people that negotiated a worse TV deal for the ACC

Every league has teams people don’t care about…
Like Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Purdue, Northwestern and maybe even Minnesota…
 
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CDB

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While it is true that there are schools in each league that folks do not care about -- they are not the issue here -- right now Maryland and Rutgers are in a league that has them protected and there are no whispers of schools like them being kicked out of their leagues -- moreover they seem to be trying to right the ship -- and none have a worse fan experience than BC -- albeit Wake and Duke do are not any better for a football fan experience. Our problem is that we have just coasted with the league and taken the money without any kind of serious commitment to field competitive teams without the once-in-a-decade or so athlete that comes to BC every so often. Right now we are relying on a ND transfer who opted out because he couldn't beat out another ND QB. We may have a great year this year or not -- but our issues right now is not coaches or recruiting -- that seems to be going in the right direction -- our problem is vision and an AD is either can or has the authority to do what needs to be done to improve our position. It has been clear for months, if not an entire year, that the ACC leadership is not doing much to improve the status of the league -- especially when they objected to the 12 team playoff and upset both commissioners from the Big14 and SEC. That is the straw the broke the camel's back. BC should have made its position clear at that time -- well, maybe it has -- it is going to do nothing and ride the back of the ACC as long as it can. But watch out because the latest recommendation by Thamel is gaining ground and BC will get a proportion of the profits that matches its contribution -- and we are seen similar to the the other lower ranked teams -- but with one difference -- schools, like Duke for instance, give back in other sports -- like basketball so a poor football team is forgivable -- we are seen as takers and never givers. If that doesn't change what does matter what happens -- right now everyone not connected with BC sees us as folks who do not belong
 

CDB

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My Dad was a wise man -- he told me one time that with companies, friendships, relationships, etc. there is a comparison that can be made to measure success. They are all like fruit -- they are either growing or they are beginning to rot -- you might not see the rot at first, but eventually it catches up to you and when it does and is like a freight train and very difficult to stop. The time for BC just to be takers is over -- we cannot keep relying on others to make things right for us -- I have read on a couple of boards where school like BC are being blamed for the demise of the ACC -- folks are saying that we do not offer anything to the league other than the fact that we are located in a major SMSA -- but the ACC is not reaping tons of benefit because the Boston market is seen primarily as a pro town -- that is hard to argue given the SOX, Bruins, PATs, and Celts. It is time for BC to change and become leaders -- I know we all want to continue the status quo in football -- but the landscape has changed and is being driven by the courts -- we don't have to be a power -- but we can no longer by a watcher and a taker. Either go all in or get out --and if you are going all in, then do it right -- explore all possibilities -- meet and discuss options with those possibilities and then make the best decision for BC -- We have have a really good coaching staff that can do the most important thing -- recruit good players -- now let's increase the fan experience with a much better in game experience -- fix the stadium problems -- allow a meaningful tailgate experience -- install people movers to get the fans to and from the stadium without terrible traffic -- and increase fan support using whatever it takes to make attending a BC football game a DO NOT MISS experience -- we can do this -- we have talented alumni -- we have alumni who will support BC football if they are asked -- stop waiting for givers -- go after them -- we have one of the best Marketing Majors in the country -- we could even use these folks to help us as part of their class experience -- it would be successful and teach them about the real world of marketing -- we have the ability -- what we lack is the desire. And if one of you guys is located near the school -- how about starting a collective to raise money for NIL. And while we are doing all this stop the foolishness with telling all our secrets to Pete Thamel who is now suggesting BC get a lowered payment because they don't give enough -- well, maybe he believes that or maybe he is just taking the focus off of how little Syracuse has given to ACC football -- stop telling our secrets to the enemy -- I never read the in "The Art of War."
 
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CDB

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Perhaps it is doomsday. A local Dallas Sports show with access to insider info from the SEC is discussing the SEC taking Clemson, Fl State, NC, and Va -- the show claims all 4 programs are actively discussing with the SEC. The SEC wanted to also include Miami, but Florida objected and Louisville as it takes in the second most revenue in football in the ACC, but Kentucky objected. So for now, it is going after the South and will come back for Miami at a later time unless the BIG picks them up first. I cannot confirm if it is true or not true, but it is being discussed in a major market, so there must have been some fact checking going on. This might push BC out -- if it does -- blogs like this one will not mean much.
 
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