SEC & Big 10

DoubleEagle68

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So USC and UCLA are joining the Big 10 (20). Are Clemson and FSU departing to the SEC? Geography is no longer an alignment for conferences. It seems that conferences will be much larger, possibly 20 or more. There will be few OOC games. The ACC teams need to grab as many teams as they can or ACC colleges move to other conferences. These are interesting times and teams future schedules are out the door.
 

Eagle Esquire

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Obviously, very bad news for BC and basically everyone in the ACC that’s not Clemson, FSU, Miami and maybe UNC or VTech. I’m sure ACC tried poaching teams from the PAC 12 but just lacked the wherewithal to do so with their current TV deal. Opens the door to the SEC poaching our best teams like the ACC did to the old Big East

So here’s the real question. What does the ACC do now? It’s not over yet. The riskiest thing is to do nothing. That’ll invite poaching. ND is the life line that would protect the conference but their AD has made it clear they’re content as an independent. Moreover, with USC now in the Big Ten to go with UM, MSU etc., perhaps, they have become much more appealing to ND than the ACC. Do we try and expand with what’s left of the PAC 12? Oregon, ASU, Stanford and Washington would make fine additions. Think it’s fair to say geographical ties are no longer a concern. Do they raid the Big 12? OK State, Texas Tech, KSU. WVU would make the most sense. Maybe some combination of both with a few Group if Five teams. Maybe that allows them to redo their TV deal

We all knew something like this was bound to happen….. but not this quick. So much for the 3 conference alliance. I just hope BC doesn’t get stuck in a leftover league that becomes the new MAC

What do y’all think?
 

AGPennyPacker

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I think that more than ever BC has to decide wether they want to be relevant or not..

but I would be against adding permanent west coast teams as they wound make traveling too burdensome
 
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CDB

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For all of us who hope that being located in the Boston Market and therefore, protected in the whole realignment landscape, I did talk with my friend who is a former pro scout. He told me that he had heard that the Big 10 is very disappointed with he addition of MD and Rutgers and have come to conclusion that the NE is just not a college marketplace, but rather the fans are avid for professional sports. I have no idea if he is right or not. But if so, it is imperative that we become the exception in NE football. We need a increase our fan support base by improvements to our stadium and tailgating experience -- we need to win more that 6 football games each year -- we need to build a reputation of one of those schools where folks want to attend a football game -- like the Clemson's, Florida's, TAMU's, etc. where college football fans put attending a game on their bucket list. Yes, we could rely on playing other teams that non-BC fans want to see, but we need to make that ticket one that folks want. We can do it -- In addition to building a fan experience at BC, we need to increase our traveling to games not at Alumni stadium -- how will we do this -- well, sure we need to have a good team -- not one who is relevant when once in a lifetime players like Flutie or Ryan comes along -- but relevance every year because of our program demands that kind of excellence. And we have to make BC compete with ND for those excellent athletes who are also excellent students. This isn't easy to do, but it takes a plan -- a specific development plan -- look at it this way -- if BC can increase its applicants the way it has done the past two years, it can also do the same in athletics.

Yes, there is a chance -- most likely over 50% that we will remain football school after all the consolidation is done -- but there is also a chance that we could not. Why take the chance if we intend to stay a football school and eventually become relevant. It is dangerous just to rely on TV revenues generated in the Boston SMSA and fans of other schools who will eventually show up at BC for games. Moreover, we have played West Coast teams and Big 10 teams in the past -- and then we went to scheduling 3 easy teams each year rather than adding a Ohio State or USC or AL like we used to do in the past. Let's roll out the NIL plan, improve the stadium, demand more than 6 wins from our coaches, and make the changes in tailgating that will attract folks to our stadium rather than watching the games on the ACC network -- even though they could make the trip to Chestnut Hill, but do not do so.
 

DoubleEagle68

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For all of us who hope that being located in the Boston Market and therefore, protected in the whole realignment landscape, I did talk with my friend who is a former pro scout. He told me that he had heard that the Big 10 is very disappointed with he addition of MD and Rutgers and have come to conclusion that the NE is just not a college marketplace, but rather the fans are avid for professional sports. I have no idea if he is right or not. But if so, it is imperative that we become the exception in NE football. We need a increase our fan support base by improvements to our stadium and tailgating experience -- we need to win more that 6 football games each year -- we need to build a reputation of one of those schools where folks want to attend a football game -- like the Clemson's, Florida's, TAMU's, etc. where college football fans put attending a game on their bucket list. Yes, we could rely on playing other teams that non-BC fans want to see, but we need to make that ticket one that folks want. We can do it -- In addition to building a fan experience at BC, we need to increase our traveling to games not at Alumni stadium -- how will we do this -- well, sure we need to have a good team -- not one who is relevant when once in a lifetime players like Flutie or Ryan comes along -- but relevance every year because of our program demands that kind of excellence. And we have to make BC compete with ND for those excellent athletes who are also excellent students. This isn't easy to do, but it takes a plan -- a specific development plan -- look at it this way -- if BC can increase its applicants the way it has done the past two years, it can also do the same in athletics.

Yes, there is a chance -- most likely over 50% that we will remain football school after all the consolidation is done -- but there is also a chance that we could not. Why take the chance if we intend to stay a football school and eventually become relevant. It is dangerous just to rely on TV revenues generated in the Boston SMSA and fans of other schools who will eventually show up at BC for games. Moreover, we have played West Coast teams and Big 10 teams in the past -- and then we went to scheduling 3 easy teams each year rather than adding a Ohio State or USC or AL like we used to do in the past. Let's roll out the NIL plan, improve the stadium, demand more than 6 wins from our coaches, and make the changes in tailgating that will attract folks to our stadium rather than watching the games on the ACC network -- even though they could make the trip to Chestnut Hill, but do not do so.
A BC Football Game attracts a different crowd than the Patriots. We look at the tailgating as the ultimate game experience. But I see the BC game experience to be more of a family affair and fans that appreciate watching good football without the huge prices for a pro game. We have games that are on as beautiful campus and is a wonderful place to spend an afternoon in the Fall. Also having Boston for a great weekend visit. People rave to me about their BC visits about the beauty of the campus and visiting Boston. It's a great road trip for a visiting fan from Tobacco Road. Give the local fans winning teams and they will come. We have a good opportunity to change the image of BC football this year. Let the kids come and enjoy the BC football atmosphere and want to play for BC when they go to college.
 

AGPennyPacker

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On a second thought, an eventual Clemson and FSU departure would only hurt the ACC in Football and Basketball could be even better if we add a Memphis to the Mix!

I still believe that it would be foolish for Clemson and FSU to join the SEC because their dominance would end and they would end up having the trajectory of BC when they joined the ACC..

regardless of ACC teams, BC should pretend they are an independent and always aim at scheduling the most exciting programs out there so even if we don’t have a Clemson and FSU we can always claim a Michigan, Tennessee, Penn State etc
 

CDB

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While it is great to focus on the benefits to BC by scheduling all these great teams, I still strongly think we should concentrate on BC becoming one of those programs And control our own destiny
 

DoubleEagle68

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On a second thought, an eventual Clemson and FSU departure would only hurt the ACC in Football and Basketball could be even better if we add a Memphis to the Mix!

I still believe that it would be foolish for Clemson and FSU to join the SEC because their dominance would end and they would end up having the trajectory of BC when they joined the ACC..

regardless of ACC teams, BC should pretend they are an independent and always aim at scheduling the most exciting programs out there so even if we don’t have a Clemson and FSU we can always claim a Michigan, Tennessee, Penn State etc
I believe the way the big conferences are expanding, there will e very few OOC games.
 

AGPennyPacker

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I believe the way the big conferences are expanding, there will e very few OOC games.
Maybe

But there will always be enough product if you are smart and active….

And to that point CBD is probably pointing out at ND and how due to their brand… they will always find teams that would love to play them
 

DoubleEagle68

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Question:

Should BC try to jump to the Big 10? If they try, they probably will have to build a new stadium. But there is no other conference that fits BC better than the Big 10.
 

Eagle Esquire

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I feel that in certain ways they fit the Big Ten but not so in others. Academic USMWR ranking, yes they do. However, it seems like the BigTen favors large schools with good rankings. Illinois, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. with massive alumni networks.
 

CDB

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BC is not research institution, but neither is ND. The Big10 would have to convince its members to allow more non-research institutions into its conference. It this doable -- yes, but it would take a marketing effort where the plusses outweigh the negatives. BC used to play Big10 schools more often, but that went away when we went to soft schedule. The question would be is why would the fans of the Big10 want to pay to see BC?
 

Gasson 305

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Per Sirius Radio, the Big Ten believes the SEC will come for Clemson, Miami, and FSU, claiming a natural geographic fit. But, the reality is exit fees prior to 2036 are huge.

The Big Ten reportedly has told Washington, Oregon and Stanford to hold on because in their scenario, ND wIll go to B10, making 17 teams. The Big Ten would then take Washington, Oregon, and Stanford to become a 20 team mega conference.

The bottom line is Washington, Oregon and Stanford are waiting on Notre Dame’s decision. Rumors are all four to the B10. Online reports are saying the wait won’t be long.

What happens to ND if it remains independent in football? Why would ND want to join a mega conference? The Irish always look for the path of least resistance to a National Championship.
 

Gasson 305

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BC is not research institution, but neither is ND. The Big10 would have to convince its members to allow more non-research institutions into its conference. It this doable -- yes, but it would take a marketing effort where the plusses outweigh the negatives. BC used to play Big10 schools more often, but that went away when we went to soft schedule. The question would be is why would the fans of the Big10 want to pay to see BC?

They would not want to play BC. Remember Missouri’s HC comments about playing us? Here are a few others:
1) Alumni Stadium is too small
2) Our parking situation is not up to B10 standards.
3) No fun areas to set up BBQ
4) OSU has already broke their promise to play BC three or four times already
5) The northeast is not a hotbed for football
 

Gasson 305

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I think that more than ever BC has to decide wether they want to be relevant or not..

but I would be against adding permanent west coast teams as they wound make traveling too burdensome
And, if the B10 and SEC grow to 20 teams each, and BC is stuck in the no longer relevant ACC, we lose Hafley for sure
 
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