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AGPennyPacker

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I just hope someone hires him as a HC again...

I kinda enjoy reading about him...

Like when he made national headlines for his team not spiking the ball vs Utah State

and when he made College Football history by getting Ejected in the First Half.
 

azbc

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I don’t think Kelly leaving hurts the ND brand at all. The ND brand has far reaching appeal and fan support. I just watched the Game Day interview Marcus Freeman on ESPN’s Saturday show. The segment followed their interview of Brian Kelly.

Kelly came off as disingenuous, not fully honest and egotistical causing many people to say he’s a fraud.

Freeman is a total opposite compared to Kelly. He looks and sounds authentic, genuine and has the full support of the AD, his players and staff. Freeman is humble, appreciative and plain spoken.

He played for Jim Tressel and has high respect for him but credits Luke Fickell with teaching him how to coach football and be a leader. Swarbrick’s decision to internally promote Marcus Freeman is not only brilliant, it enhances their brand by bringing some Ohio State coaching culture.

It could work out for them-- although there's an equal chance the Freeman hire crashes and burns-- but this has to be a first for Notre Dame in the post-Rockne era in which a coach departed (of his own volition) for another school.
 

CDB

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Dabo is not liked by Alabama fans and he makes almost as much as Saban does right now. He also has some issues with BLM because of a couple of statements he made and also made statements saying he would leave if kids were paid -- he hasn't mentioned them since NIL, but the AD would have to convince the fan base that he would be the best hire.If he stays at Clemson he will be making over $10 M by the end of his present contract. It is not like all those assistants and the AD were holding him up like in the case of Orgeron. Why would he leave -- who does he have to beat in the ACC so far? May be times are a changing, but right now it looks like almost every year he will be playing in the conference finals -- versus trying to do the same at Alabama. I almost feel sorry for whoever follows Saban -- after the Bear retired it took a long time until Stallings won another championship and then it took 12 more years until Saban arrived. I don't see Dabo at Alabama.
 

AGPennyPacker

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I have a feeling that many NCAA Coaches that just got hired for silly money are extremely glad that Urban Meyer was not available 2 weeks ago.

But I also think that Coaches like Freeman at ND have just added lots of extra pressure on their tenure...
 

Gasson 305

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I have a feeling that many NCAA Coaches that just got hired for silly money are extremely glad that Urban Meyer was not available 2 weeks ago.

But I also think that Coaches like Freeman at ND have just added lots of extra pressure on their tenure...

My first thought after reading the JAX owner’s statement after firing Urban Meyer was he’s done. A decisive, involuntary termination of a high profile coach with no mincing of words. He’s done in coaching at the elite level pro or college. And, Meyer was fired less than a month after the Gym Coach, Addazio. How ironic is that!

What do you mean about the pressure on Freeman or his tenure?

1) Added pressure to perform?
Or,
2) Internal pressure to retain him by extending his contract?
 

CDB

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I agree Pennypacker. Freeman is very charismatic -- like Hafley -- the kids love him. But it is a whole different ball game to handle the administration of running a team than just coaching one side of it -- and now he has to make all those tough decisions that his former boss used to make. I also believe that Freeman's success depends very much on Hafley. When O'Brien was getting all those kids that used to pick ND, we beat them regularly. Both campuses are stunning - beautiful, but one camus is located in the cess pool that is known as South Bend -- many miles from Chicago and the other is located in one of the most beautiful and historic cities in America. One campus is co-ed with one women's college nearby and one is located in an SMSA where there are 5 college girls to every guy. If any BC student wants to see Boston, they can be there in a few minutes or Harvard Square or any of the other iconic universities nearby. I also remember going over to MIT to catch a Sanderson lecture and over to Harvard to sit on a law school class when I was an underclassman. BC has so many advantages to sell -- and with a better team we should start winning battles for kids that are presently choosing ND. And ND will have to address its conference affiliation status as it appears that the 12 team play-off scheme is tottering. Meyer is a great college coach, but he doesn't stay anywhere. Folks at ND look at the coaching position as the ultimate job in coaching (they are wrong -- it isn't any more), but they want a coach who bleeds blue and gold.
 

AGPennyPacker

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I agree Pennypacker. Freeman is very charismatic -- like Hafley -- the kids love him. But it is a whole different ball game to handle the administration of running a team than just coaching one side of it -- and now he has to make all those tough decisions that his former boss used to make. I also believe that Freeman's success depends very much on Hafley. When O'Brien was getting all those kids that used to pick ND, we beat them regularly. Both campuses are stunning - beautiful, but one camus is located in the cess pool that is known as South Bend -- many miles from Chicago and the other is located in one of the most beautiful and historic cities in America. One campus is co-ed with one women's college nearby and one is located in an SMSA where there are 5 college girls to every guy. If any BC student wants to see Boston, they can be there in a few minutes or Harvard Square or any of the other iconic universities nearby. I also remember going over to MIT to catch a Sanderson lecture and over to Harvard to sit on a law school class when I was an underclassman. BC has so many advantages to sell -- and with a better team we should start winning battles for kids that are presently choosing ND. And ND will have to address its conference affiliation status as it appears that the 12 team play-off scheme is tottering. Meyer is a great college coach, but he doesn't stay anywhere. Folks at ND look at the coaching position as the ultimate job in coaching (they are wrong -- it isn't any more), but they want a coach who bleeds blue and gold.
My first thought after reading the JAX owner’s statement after firing Urban Meyer was he’s done. A decisive, involuntary termination of a high profile coach with no mincing of words. He’s done in coaching at the elite level pro or college. And, Meyer was fired less than a month after the Gym Coach, Addazio. How ironic is that!

What do you mean about the pressure on Freeman or his tenure?

1) Added pressure to perform?
Or,
2) Internal pressure to retain him by extending his contract?
So I agree with CDB that being an assistant vs. a HC is a huge difference and Venables for e.g. kept saying how staying at Clemson as an Assistant for 2 Mil a year was perfect for him and it took 7.5 Mil to change that view.

To answer your question Gasson 305... I watched Freeman's Presser and he looked a bit nervous/overwhelmed and contrary to BC where we have been used to losing so many games a year... At ND they expect the playoffs every year and if Freeman loses some questionable games then the press/bot's/fans will not be as tolerant as at BC.

(Urban Meyer was floating as a replacement for Kelly... that's why I highlighted them)
 
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CDB

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Moreover, as 74 has told us, the current AD at Notre Dame is really good at this job --most do not remember the chaos at ND several years ago -- hiring high school coaches -- not vetting the resume of hires -- scandals with boosters -- all of that went away and none of us talk much about it any more. Hopefully, BC is entering into the same era of good decisions by the AD and Administration -- I think Kraft can be good, but the Admin has not shown its willingness to change -- so probably not. Moreover, ND is not shown yet that it can develop a pro-style QB -- I mean New Orleans doesn't have a QB that is not injured and they still will not play the kid from ND -- he just isn't ready to even be a backup. What does that say about ND's ability to draft a QB that can help them win a NC.
 

BCEagle74

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Moreover, as 74 has told us, the current AD at Notre Dame is really good at this job --most do not remember the chaos at ND several years ago -- hiring high school coaches -- not vetting the resume of hires -- scandals with boosters -- all of that went away and none of us talk much about it any more. Hopefully, BC is entering into the same era of good decisions by the AD and Administration -- I think Kraft can be good, but the Admin has not shown its willingness to change -- so probably not.

NCAA power players and institution leaders listen to Swarbrick more than anyone. Most powerful man in College Sports.

ND's reluctance to join the Big 10 many years ago was based upon $ and then joining the ACC for all sports except Football was pure genius!

No conference title game is a playoff drawback, but this playoff is going to 8 or 12, so ND will be fine.

So far even this year with winning any conference title game, ND would had still been 5th, so luck of the Irish since the playoff system started, ND not being in a conference has not yet hurt them in the final 4.

2022: At Ohio State opener, Clemson Home, at UNC, at BYU in Vegas, are 4 highest rated teams next year.

I think Swarbrick knows the playoffs are going to at least 8 or maybe 12 and ND staying independent and picking schedule and sharing all other ACC Revenues, especially Hoops, except for Football, is their best strategy and revenue generation model.

I always wanted a Swarbrick disciple at BC, but the cheap & lazy Leahy went with MACCOMFORTZONE loser in Hairdo Bates and his 2 disastrous hires.

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DoubleEagle68

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I would enjoy hearing an in-depth interview with Phil Jurkovec on the reasons for his first selecting ND in the first place and his reasons for leaving. I think it would give us a better understanding on the current ND myth and what reasons Phil had to leave ND for BC.
 

Gasson 305

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I would enjoy hearing an in-depth interview with Phil Jurkovec on the reasons for his first selecting ND in the first place and his reasons for leaving. I think it would give us a better understanding on the current ND myth and what reasons Phil had to leave ND for BC.

great suggestion
 

CDB

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Would be a great interview -- but let's look at QB coaching at ND. What was the move the Ian used to get away from players -- he dropped stepped several yards (very quickly) and then ran forward so he could either run or pass. That took him out of the pocket -- What does Phil -- similar -- he drops back out of the pocket -- against speed he will get clobbered -- and he has -- New Orleans drafted Book and hasn't used him -- even with all those QB injuries because he hasn't yet unlearned that terrible habit. What I don't understand is why a really good QB would choose ND because the coaching there (under Kelly) was terrible for QBs. I would hope that Phil saw that and left because of it -- but he still has some of those habits -- not only can he get hurt again, he is making life really difficult for his pass protectors -- usually when a Defensive end or blitzed takes it far outside, he is let go and the blocker picks him up when he starts to circle back. What is starting to happen to all the running QBs in the NFL -- injuries injuries injuries. It is enough to teach kids how to read defenses and as they grow to understand quickly what play will work against certain coverages -- it is almost impossible if the kids has bad mechanics and bad habits. My friend (who is a former NFL scout, claims that New Orleans is really frustrated on how long it is taking Book to show progress -- especially in light of the QBs they have been playing.
 
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