Alumni Stadium Renovation Plans

DoubleEagle68

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We're getting a new Athletic Director. Let's see what their Renovation Plans are for Alumni Stadium this summer. It should be the first question to be asked of him at the press conference. The second should be what are the future plans for a new stadium.
 

BCEagle74

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DE68

I agree but a new stadium, (Which should be a Retractable Dome for huge revenue opportunities), new +1 Arena, (lots of ice rental income) and Men's LAX questions will never be asked...ever...

The last half century of mostly all the local scribes want that lobster roll buffet and all the easy access and have never asked hard questions or followed up or persisted.

BC Athletics is bulletprooof like the Admin.
 

DoubleEagle68

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DE68

I agree but a new stadium, (Which should be a Retractable Dome for huge revenue opportunities), new +1 Arena, (lots of ice rental income) and Men's LAX questions will never be asked...ever...

The last half century of mostly all the local scribes want that lobster roll buffet and all the easy access and have never asked hard questions or followed up or persisted.

BC Athletics is bulletprooof like the Admin.
I agree that a new stadium is just a pipe dream. Let's a few outstanding seasons and see if the purses will open up.
 

CDB

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Similar arguments have been made of the Wake boards -- yet, despite having a tremendous season where the school was even in the discussion for the championship games for over 8 weeks -- the attendance was not impressive. There has always been this attitude at private schools that if the team is successful the fans will come. But almost universally, around the country, with the exception of Notre Dame and TCU with its new stadium -- private college stadiums are not filled based on the teams success.

While I concur that BC's administration is not going to move on this issue, the admin is hoping folks will continue to believe that the stadium is empty because the team is not winning every game. The evidence does not support that conviction. There is also the argument that private schools located near or in cities with NFL teams cannot compete, but that is not true at some schools like TCU -- point is that argument, too, had been debunked -- what I am hoping for is that fans will stop accepting these arguments and start asking why we do not have a better stadium, a better tailgate experience, and a plan to build interest in the team at the student level. Why is the stadium so empty with all the high schools and military bases nearby who we could give passes to. Where is the plan to fill the stadium. This is very important because it is continually brought up by other members of the ACC -- They think that BC doesn't attend its own games and rarely attends away or bowl games. We need to resolve this issue and change that perception in case a new super league is formed -- or we will probably be left out of it. A modern stadium will be a great asset in drawing people out of the comfort of their homes as they watch the ACC network and to the stadium to see all the modern technology, innovations, and the fun of attending a great tailgating experience and rooting for BC in person.

As for me, I plan to keep reminding BC folks that it is not okay to wait to see if BC wins more games -- Wake has already shown that winning games does not fill up their stadium.
 

DoubleEagle68

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I go to Wake to watch BC football games as, even though they have the smallest stadium in the ACC, there's never a problem getting tickets. The Wake stadium is a modern stadium. So even that doesn't draw a crowd. Of course, they are competing with UNC, State, Duke and Clemson for outside fans. BTW, Duke doesn't draw in football. Let's hope the Jurk-Flowers will excite the students and fans.
 

CDB

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Unbeaten Wake Forest average less than 27,000 fans per game during the first 4 games of its season - the stadium is the smallest in the Power 5. About 12-15 years ago in updated the press box and scoreboard, but the max capacity is 31,000. But last year they were in the running with Pitt to be an unbeaten team in potentially end up in the NC games -- yet despite that fact that they were having a dream season -- a season we are hoping BC will have this year if everything goes well -- they did not fill up the stadium. I think this supports my contention that private colleges do not normally fill up their stadiums whether the team is really good or not. But no one believes that -- despite the improvements on this very old stadium in the nineties and the first part of this century and later, the stadium is not state of the art. As we all know, Wake was originally based in a different part of the state and was moved to Winston Salem in the mid-fifties. While Wake faces the same attendance problems as BC, the other members of the ACC are not upset with Wake because they generally produce competitive teams in football and occasionally exceptional teams in basketball.

I do not know how big a new BC stadium should be -- the TCU rebuild was 50,000 and that works well for them, but I certainly would not think we should build a 20,000 seat stadium so that our stadium will always be 80% plus filled. There are enough alumni living close to the school to fill it for its home games. My senior year, it snowed in Boston it seemed like every weekend starting in October and ending in the late
spring. So maybe a retractible roof is as an wild idea after all.
 

BCEagle74

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Final:

Why not leave shitty west side attached to worn out Conte and raze the 2 end zones and east side and build a luxury box tiered horseshoe palace.

1/2 of TCU model.

My guess is BC has heard these 1,000 suggestions for 50 years and will only do bare minimum cosmetic and tech upgrades.

Alumni is as good as it is gone get.
 
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janebc

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Interesting viewpoint, CDB and a legitimate point about Wake. However, I do think winning still has a lot to do with it. And, as an added point, at least in my opinion, BC's last two coaching disasters, Spazaddazio, not only lost, but played an extraordinarily boring 1970 style of football that was just flat out boring to watch. I well remember being at a game with a friend of mine and her young son, who observed that even though BC won, they had only one first down in the second half. I think boring, predictable, up- the- middle- for- 2 yards style of play also played a significant factor in turning off fans.
 

CDB

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Tom O’Brien played a boring style of football -/ he believed that if he made less mistakes than the opponent, he should win. Many times BC best teams who had more talent, by keeping the mistakes to the minimum, keeping the game close, and cashing in on 4th quarter mistakes to pull out wins. We beat Clemson several times this way. However, even when we were consistently beating good teams, with exception of great opponents like ND, etc. we didn’t fill the stadium. When BC had Jack Concannon and he threw a TD pass on the first play 3 games in a row, we had national coverage to see how long we could keep it up, the stadium was not filled. Fans did not come if we were bring or if we were exciting.
What can be done? There are many ways to build student participation. First, make tickets to home games part of tuition. TAMU teaches all incoming freshman all the football cheers. It isatremendous weapon to have close to a 100,000 fans all cheering every cheer in unison. Some folks comeback just to experience the cheering of the crowd. I will never forget that experience. My point is that there are many ways — many not mentioned to get students involved — right now many students at a very expensive university may not see the value of attendance. Change that perception using whatever method works and improve tailgate rules together with a better stadium experience and we will begin to build attendance.
 

BCEagle74

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TOblunders --Many never realize he blew chances at National Titles with his no Blitz Spaz defense and poor Bible play calling.

SpazDaz = Dante's Last Rectum of Hell.

Versus AP Top 25 =All 3 combined: 9-48 15.8%
 

BCEagle74

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A Quarter Century of absolute SHIT!

The last 12 yrs of Hoops and 13 of Football.

No IPF for 10+ of those years!
Still Hoag Heaven is not finished and BC was in ACC Hoops!

You can't tell me a new stadium and long ago plush facilities would not had made a recruiting impact along with not hiring cheap MACCOMFORTZONE & IVY League Coaches.

Now, with NIL & Transfer Portal and the unknown BC Strategic Plan that needs critical requirements, mostly = (ERGO CASH!)=, the road to the NCAA Tourney and Playoffs just got much harder.

Zay Flowers story was great, but Jay knows he is the featured WR, Returns Specialist and can easily surpass the $600K with a higher draft selection and I am sure he has an injury insurance policy.

I was at the last Football AP Top 25 win with AJ Black in 2014. Ouch.

Tough Year 3 for Hafley with 4 OL guys leaving and Grant, he needs some big men at center.

When your Admin cements the Athletics Program deep into Dante's Last Rectum of Hell by being lazy cheap and arrogant, you can't beat Top 25 teams or at least be competitive, your task in getting escape velocity out becomes harder and harder as time goes by.

I have no idea what BC will do with the NIL & TP cash and complexities, but if you go by its past actions, you have to have well founded concerns and apprehensions that BC may not participate at the recruiting levels required for the ACC Revenue and its Endowment.

So far, Hafley & Grant have made solid talent upgrades from prior Head Coaches.

How long can this last in the new paradigm though?

Preparation is the key to life.

I guess we are all gonna find out on signing day on who commits and who.....

"TAKES THE MONEY AND RUNS!"

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Tom O’Brien played a boring style of football -/ he believed that if he made less mistakes than the opponent, he should win. Many times BC best teams who had more talent, by keeping the mistakes to the minimum, keeping the game close, and cashing in on 4th quarter mistakes to pull out wins. We beat Clemson several times this way. However, even when we were consistently beating good teams, with exception of great opponents like ND, etc. we didn’t fill the stadium. When BC had Jack Concannon and he threw a TD pass on the first play 3 games in a row, we had national coverage to see how long we could keep it up, the stadium was not filled. Fans did not come if we were bring or if we were exciting.
What can be done? There are many ways to build student participation. First, make tickets to home games part of tuition. TAMU teaches all incoming freshman all the football cheers. It isatremendous weapon to have close to a 100,000 fans all cheering every cheer in unison. Some folks comeback just to experience the cheering of the crowd. I will never forget that experience. My point is that there are many ways — many not mentioned to get students involved — right now many students at a very expensive university may not see the value of attendance. Change that perception using whatever method works and improve tailgate rules together with a better stadium experience and we will begin to build attendance.
CORRECTION ** Steve Logan** maximized Matt Ryan’s potential. Tom O’Brien and Steve Logan might have been a great combo however O’Brien was too stubborn at times.
 

CDB

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Point of the post wasn't who folks believed that the head coach or an assistant maximized players potential -- no argument with your assessment -- but point is that folks keep saying if we win, we will fill the stadium. Perhaps that is NOW true -- it hasn't worked in the past.

I remember folks were angry with the style of football O'Brien played -- but he did win 7-8 games with that style most years -- Iowa plays a similar style -- I remember Iowa beating BC in a game under DAZ where the statistics showed BC with twice as many yard -- yet losing in the end -- Tom was an Annapolis grad who took rules to the max -- he would not be able to do that today -- he even loss Russell Wilson at N/c State because he refused to let him play baseball.

think it was Jim Miller that coached Jack Concannon and it was wide open football -- we still didn't fill the stadium. I am hoping the powers to be will begin to realize that private schools have a different set of parameters than public schools and begin to figure out how to get the fans into the seats.
 
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